flat, the president would be in a position to step in and say, here, here is the plan, republicans want to say to the president playing politics with this and i think the president is trying to get something done. >> jonathan, if he was going to lead, then you wouldn't leak the document, you would say here is my bill. >> i think the most important thing -- >> the fact it wouldn't come out of the administration if they weren't looking for some kind of fight right now, so that's where i think the fundamental problem is that i agree, the president hasn't shown a lot of leadership and if the panel, the gang of eight was failing, if the president should step in with this plan, 100%. that is not where we are. again, i am not sure the strategy behind that. >> we'll talk more about immigration in a second with congressman gar see amplt i want to get the hagel holdup. the haggle over haggle and how much more lit reconciliation can i use? listen to how david gregory pressed john mccain over the weekend where he stands and where he feels about chuck hagel.